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"About 40% of foreign men who come to the Philippines come for sexual tourism. “I’ve told [Justice] Secretary [Leila] de Lima, any American caught in crimes with children or cybersex should be prosecuted.”"

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/09/22/11/us-envoy-blasts-sex-trade-roxas-blvd

Antwort von "oeffentlicher Stelle":

'Tourists come to Phl for shopping, sightseeing, not for sex'

MANILA, Philippines - Malacañang yesterday disputed the claim of US Ambassador Harry Thomas Jr. that at least 40 percent of male foreign tourists in the country, including Americans, come for sexual tourism.

Deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said the issue was already brought to the attention of Tourism Secretary Ramon Jimenez, who clarified that the statistics cited by the ambassador were inaccurate.

Quoting Jimenez, Valte said the DOT’s figure shows that “shopping and sightseeing” are the dominant activities for both male and female tourists in the Philippines.

“Our message to all tourists is simple: you are welcome to the Philippines anytime for good, clean fun and excitement. If you are coming for darker reasons, we don’t want your business,” Jimenez said in a statement sent to the Palace.

“The Philippines is a beautiful country and although we would like to see the number of tourist arrivals increase, we would want that our tourists, that our friends, come here for the right reasons,” Valte noted.

She said it cannot be denied that sexual tourism is happening, including human trafficking of women and children, but the government had been exerting efforts to curb the problem.

She said the best proof that the Philippines’ actions to combat trafficking were gaining ground was the fact that the US State Department upgraded the country’s status from its watchlist.

Around 40 percent of foreign men come here for sexual tourism, Thomas said during a roundtable discussion on human trafficking organized by the Supreme Court, Philippine Judicial Academy in partnership with the Court of Appeals and the US Department of Justice Criminal Division.

Phl wholesome destination

Contrary to reports that sex tourism is rampant in the country, Tourism Assistant Secretary Benito Bengzon maintained that the Philippines is a wholesome destination for local and foreign visitors.

Bengzon said a majority of foreign tourists come here to go shopping aside from visiting famous tourist spots like Boracay.

“More than half or 56 percent of foreign tourists come here primarily to go shopping because we offer good but not expensive products,” he explained.

He said cases of sex tourism in the country are isolated.

“We do not know where he obtained his information. Our own research shows that foreign visitors come primarily to go shopping, sightseeing and visiting friends,” the DOT official said.

“Our marketing objective is to position the Philippines as a safe and wholesome destination anchored on historical sites, cultural heritage, nature-based attraction and shopping facilities,” he added.

Bengzon had earlier said that entertainment is one of the major “come-ons” of the Philippines among foreign travelers.

However, he stressed that that the country is only offering wholesome entertainment to foreign and local visitors.

Meanwhile, former tourism secretary Richard Gordon supported the claim of Thomas as he noted that cyber criminals promoting the Philippines as a “sex destination” have become more efficient than the government.

An interview with The STAR, Gordon lamented the failure of the Aquino government to promote a wholesome image for the Philippines.

“We do not have a positive image. We do not have an image at all,” said Gordon, whose ‘Wow Philippines’ slogan boosted tourism during his term as tourism secretary.

He said that most foreigners derive their information about the country from the Internet.

Gordon urged concerned government agencies like the National Bureau of Investigation to crack down on cyber criminals promoting sex tourism in the country.

He also said the increase in HIV and AIDS cases can be attributed to sex tourism. Latest statistics indicated that HIV and AIDS cases in the country already breached the 7,000 mark.

The DOT revealed during yesterday’s national meeting of the National Association of Independent Travel Agencies of the Philippines, Inc. (NAITAP) in Angeles City that the Philippines now ranks sixth among Southeast Asian nations in terms of tourist arrivals.

Socorro Caraig, chief of the DOT accreditation division, said that annual tourist arrivals in the Philippines was estimated at only 3.3 million, which is sixth in ranking below Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia and Vietnam. Malaysia’s annual tourist arrivals reach about 25 million, she noted. – With Mayen Jaymalin, Ding Cervantes

SOURCE: Philstar

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Pimentel urges police crackdown on sex tour syndicates

MANILA - Senator Aquilino Pimentel III urged the Philippine National Police (PNP) Friday to crack down on sex tour syndicates in the Philippines.

He said sex tour organizers, many of whom "prey on innocent girls who are taken advantage of on account of their poverty," are to blame for an upsurge of prostitution in the country.

He said the PNP can intensify their campaign against prostitution and sex trafficking by focusing on websites that offer sex tours online.

At a roundtable discussion with Court of Appeals judges Thursday, US Ambassador Harry Thomas Jr. said around 40 percent of male tourists who come to the Philippines do so for sex.

Sex trafficking is penalized by the Anti-trafficking in Persons Act with life imprisonment and a fine of from P2 million to P5 million for large-scale trafficking. The law defines large-scale trafficking as trafficking of three or more women for sex.

SOURCE: Sun Star

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Update ("jetzt gilt' s ernst"):

Lawmakers have warned U.S. Ambassador to the Philippines Harry Thomas to watch his words or show proof on his supposed remark that almost half of foreign male tourists in the Philippines are merely after sex.

"I hope the American ambassador can clarify his statement and explain where he got the statistics," Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile told reporters Wednesday.

Senator Franklin Drilon said he also disputes Thomas' statement.

"I certainly have not been shown the basis of that data. We challenge the correctness of that," Drilon said.

"It is unfortunate that he made such a public statement on the heels of President Benigno Aquino III's visit to the United States," Senator Francis Escudero said in an earlier released statement.

Addressing judicial officials last week, Thomas supposedly said: “We know that 40 percent of foreign men who come to the Philippines, including from the US, come for sexual tourism. That is not something I’m proud of. That’s not something you should be proud of.”

Escudero said this statement was "uncalled for," and his claims should have been channeled to proper government agencies.

"It is not for foreign entities to rate us or grade us or whether we pass their benchmark or not, especially when no bases are given," Escudero added.

Drilon said the government is serious in implementing laws against human trafficking.

While Enrile said Thomas' claims may be true, the envoy should at least explain where he got his numbers.

"We're not denying that there are American men who come to the Philippines to enjoy their lives because the Filipinas are attractive but I don't think his statistics are correct," said Enrile.

"Well, there are also many foreigners going to America to have sex with American girls and American boys. So, it works both ways. Even Filipinos go there to enjoy beauty of American women," added Enrile.

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Show proof or ship out.

Livid senators in interviews with the Philippine Daily Inquirer Wednesday wanted US Ambassador Harry Thomas to produce evidence that 40 percent of male tourists come to the Philippines for sex.

Senator Panfilo Lacson raised the possibility that Thomas was misquoted in his report on sex tourism that came out last week.

“He should at least clarify if he was misquoted by media,” Lacson said. “Otherwise he should apologize to the Filipino people or pack his bags and go home for being tactless, offensive and undiplomatic.”

Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile and Senator Franklin Drilon challenged the ambassador to show proof that he was correct.

“We dispute that statement, I certainly have not been shown the basis for that data. We challenge its correctness,” Drilon said.

Also sex in US

American males coming to the Philippines to satisfy their carnal desires is a reality, Enrile said.

“However, I don’t think the statistics are correct,” he added.

“We are not denying that there are American men who come to the Philippines to enjoy their life because Filipinas are attractive,” Enrile explained.

“There are also many foreigners going to America to have sex with American girls and boys. It works both ways. Even Filipinos go there to enjoy the beauty of American women.”

Still, Enrile asked Thomas to reconsider his disclosure.

“If I were Ambassador Thomas, I would think about what I had just said. If we say the same thing about his country, he would feel insulted,” he said.

Earlier, Senator Francis Escudero protested the timing of Thomas’ statement, noting it coincided with President Benigno Aquino III’s visit to the United States.

Senator Pia Cayetano, chairperson of the Senate committee on women and youth, in a privilege speech reprimanded Malacañang for downplaying Thomas’ claim instead of responding to it.

Social Welfare Secretary Dinky Soliman, who was in the Senate Wednesday, said “pertinent” agencies were already engaged in implementing antitrafficking and other related laws.

Soliman said the Philippines had been taken out of the Tier 2 category for countries that had not fully complied with antihuman trafficking laws.

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Das Ganze ist darum interessant... weil ich nun nur Nicht hoffe dass die Filipinos zeigen wollen "dass es ihnen ernst ist"... Denn DAS koennte dann (leider) durchaus auch gewisse (zusaetzliche) Einschraenkungen mit sich bringen - was "niemand" (also wir NICHT) will... !

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Nun rudert er zurück, aber erst mal dumm daher reden !!! :post-10-1185907874: :wallbash: :wallbash:

US envoy regrets Philippine sex tourism remarks

MANILA — The US ambassador to the Philippines has apologized for his recent statement that 40 percent of male tourists visit the country for sex, a government spokesman said Saturday.

Ambassador Harry Thomas sent a cellphone text message Friday to Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario, who was on a visit to Vietnam, expressing regret for his comments, foreign affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said.

"I should not have used the 40 percent statistic without the ability to back it up. I regret any harm that I may have caused," Thomas said in the text message, which Hernandez forwarded to journalists.

US Embassy spokeswoman Tina Malone said Saturday that Thomas "offered his deep regret" for his comment. She said the United States would continue to be a "strong and dedicated partner of the Filipino people in combating the global scourges of human trafficking and sexual tourism."

Thomas' remark last month angered some officials who questioned its basis and said it tarnished the country's image.

After addressing a discussion on human trafficking in the Philippines on Sept. 22, Thomas also told journalists that the sex tourists included Americans and that it was "something I'm not proud of." He urged Philippine authorities to prosecute all foreign sex tourists, including Americans.

The Philippines is trying to revive its tourism industry and erase its 1980s reputation as a major destination for sex tourists.

As a former US colony, the Philippines hosted American bases until the early 1990s, and communities around the military facilities became liberty towns and havens for prostitution that catered to American service members.

Earlier this past week, Justice Secretary Leila de Lima wrote Thomas seeking data to back up his remarks after the ambassador said the Justice Department was the source of his information.

De Lima told reporters such comments from a diplomat were offensive and demeaning since they portrayed the Philippines as a "country of sex workers."(AP)

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Hat halt bei der Aussage nicht gedacht welche Kreise das ziehen würde.

Der wird das nächste mal 2 mal überlegen bevor er solche Sachen in die Welt hinaus posaunt !

Gruß,

Güny

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MANILA, Philippines - US Ambassador Harry Thomas Jr. has apologized for his remarks that 40 percent of male tourists visiting the Philippines come only for sex tourism, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said yesterday.

Del Rosario said he received a text message from Thomas who expressed regret over his statement at a forum last month that should not have been made without supporting data.

“I am sending you a response expressing regret for my comments. I should not have used the 40 percent statistics without the ability to back it up,” Thomas said. “I regret any harm that I may have caused.”

Del Rosario received the message in Hanoi while attending the 7th Joint Commission on Bilateral Cooperation between the Philippines and Vietnam.

He said Thomas has been working closely with the Philippine government in addressing the challenge of human trafficking in the country.

Lawmakers challenged the data on sex tourism cited by Thomas and said the American envoy should back up his statement with solid proof.

Thomas’ statements were challenged by various sectors that included Malacañang and the Department of Tourism.

Thomas, however, earlier said he would not apologize over his remark about prostitution in the country and stressed he was only telling the truth when he cited the statistics.

Thomas challenged critics to show what they should have done and their efforts in stopping child prostitution and human trafficking in the country.

US embassy Press Attaché Bettina Malone on Sept. 28 said Thomas’ statements reflected US government estimates, based on the work of US officials working with Philippine authorities to close clubs that cater to pedophiles.

Sources told The STAR that Thomas indicated the Philippine government was well aware of the estimates and report but was “turning a blind eye.”

Thomas said on Sept. 22 during a roundtable discussion on human trafficking organized by the Supreme Court, the Philippine Judicial Academy in partnership with the Court of Appeals and US Department of Justice Criminal Division, that an estimated 40 percent of foreign men, including American nationals, visit the country for sexual tourism.

Thomas said the US request is for the Philippines to refine and strengthen the anti-trafficking law for more convictions and prosecute foreigners, including Americans, involved.

Thomas said he asked President Aquino and Justice Secretary Leila de Lima to prosecute foreigners and Americans engaged in the illicit activity and cybersex to the fullest extent of the law.

Although the US acknowledged an increased rate to 25 convictions in human trafficking cases, Thomas said “I hope the law will be refined and strengthened.”

According to Thomas, the US provided over $6.6 million to the Philippines for training in anti-human trafficking programs.

Thomas noted corruption allows those involved in human trafficking to continue with impunity.

The Philippines welcomed the country’s removal from the Tier 2 Watchlist in the 2011 State Department Trafficking in Persons (TIP) Report released by the US government last June.

The report released by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the Philippines moved to Tier Two status, indicating progress has been made by the Philippine government.

A Tier Two status removes the immediate threat of sanctions but does indicate work needs to continue on this global challenge.

The report recognized the significant efforts taken by the Philippine government to combat trafficking in persons, such as the almost 200-percent increase in convictions of traffickers, including convictions for labor trafficking.

The measures that the Philippines has implemented this year include increasing efforts to identify trafficking victims in destination countries and pursuing criminal investigation and prosecution of their traffickers, increasing victim shelter resources to be able to assist more victims of human trafficking, and continued assessment and improving methods to address domestic and international labor trafficking.

The report also cited the notable efforts by the Philippine government to address trafficking-related corruption, and the numerous measures and policies to improve institutional responses to human trafficking.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=735084&publicationSubCategoryId=63&newsalert

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Palace: Thomas issue now closed

MANILA, Philippines - Malacañang accepted yesterday the apology of United States Ambassador Harry Thomas Jr. over his statement on “sex tourism” in the Philippines, and declared the issue “closed.”

“I think the statement of Ambassador Thomas clearly showed that he was not able to back up the statistics and hence he apologized to (Foreign Affairs) Secretary (Albert) del Rosario and to our government,” presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda said over government-run radio dzRB.

“So we consider the issue a closed case, but our fight against human trafficking continues. We will continue to prosecute those people who are taking advantage of our people and our young ones,” he said.

In his apology, Thomas said he should have backed up with figures and statistics his pronouncement that 40 percent of male tourists in the Philippines were only after sex with local women and children.

The ambassador’s claim about sex tourists came amid government attempts to revitalize the country’s tourism industry, which for years has lagged behind other Asian countries.

The Philippines recorded an all-time high of 3.52 million visitors last year and the government is aiming for tourist arrivals of six million by 2016.

Lacierda said Del Rosario relayed to the Palace the ambassador’s apology sent through a text message. Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said she received a similar message from Thomas but decided to keep it at the moment.

After castigating Thomas for his statement, Sen. Francis Escudero said the ambassador should now be praised for issuing an apology.

“Although it was only through text as I understand, it is nevertheless appreciated,” Escudero said.

Sen. Francis Pangilinan said Thomas’ apology was a show of humility “coming as it does from no less than the ambassador of the most powerful nation in the world.”

“Admitting error and owning up to it requires courage and strength of character, not weakness. His act deserves admiration and respect,” Pangilinan said.

But Senate committee on foreign relations chairperson Loren Legarda said the issue of sex tourism should not end with Thomas’ apology.

“This is not the end of the issue because was the apology made because he offended Malacañang or the Filipino people or for saying something without factual basis?” Legarda asked.

She said Thomas should still share with Philippine authorities whatever information he has regarding sex tourism in the country so that proper legal action can be taken against those found involved in the illegal activity.

“I want him to say what is that 40 percent? Is it untrue or incorrect or is there a semblance of truth to this? The apology is not enough. The element of partnership should still continue and so he must provide the basis of the 40 percent,” Legarda said.

“The sad fact is prostitution goes hand in hand with poverty, which is the source of our many problems. Corruption is the root cause of all these. A lot depends on our national leadership,” Sen. Panfilo Lacson said.

Lacson earlier asked Thomas to leave the country if he failed to substantiate his claims.

Del Rosario earlier revealed to senators the US government’s appreciation - relayed by Thomas - for the Philippines’ anti-human trafficking drive spearheaded by the Department of Justice.

Thomas had also raised concerns over some agencies’ lackluster performance in dealing with the problem.

“At least the good ambassador apologized,” Zambales Rep. Milagros Magsaysay said. “But I also read a report from the DFA (Department of Foreign Affairs) saying that the remarks of Ambassador Thomas have basis.”

She said the envoy’s coming out with such pronouncement should serve as a challenge to the Aquino administration to improve its efforts against sex trafficking.

Aurora Rep. Juan Edgardo Angara said the “deeper issue is the lack of genuine employment and the lack of livelihood opportunities which lead people to the flesh trade.”

Davao del Sur Rep. Marc Douglas Cagas also welcomed the apology but said the scenario raised by Thomas “does not only happen here but in other countries where tourism is one of the main sources of revenues for the government.”

He said prostitution is also a problem in the US even if some states have legalized it.

“I think the authorities should step up whatever it is that they are doing to stop the flesh trade instead of just complaining about how hurtful those comments are,” Cagas said.

De Lima said Thomas, in his text message, promised to send her and Del Rosario letters of apology but no such letter arrived before the end of office hours last Friday.

“Madame secretary: I am sending secretary De Rosario and you a letter expressing regret over my comments,” said Thomas in his text message to De Lima.

“I should have never used the 40 percent statistic without the ability to back it up,” he said.

“I am sorry for any harm that I may have caused,” Thomas also said in the text message to De Lima.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=735429&publicationSubCategoryId=63&newsalert

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Heutige Berliner Zeitung:

http://www.berliner-...4,10117816.html

Cato

Danke an Cato !!! Geiler Bericht !!! Hättest du auch unter Witze & Co posten können. Hat mich echt amüsiert. Und wieder mal unser irischer Pater der versucht uns allen hier durch sein dummes Zeug das Leben schwer zu machen. Diesem Lügenbaron geben sie jetzt auch noch eine Plattform im deutschen TV. Typisch. :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

Zur Autorin dieses Artikels, erst richtig recherchieren, am besten Vor Ort, dann denken und dann schreiben. Habe schon sehr viele Artikel gelesen und schon oft dummes Zeug dabei entdeckt. Aber dieser Artikel schlägt dem Fass den Boden raus. Sorry, habe noch nie soviel Scheisse in so wenig Geschriebenen entdeckt. Meine damalige Lehrerin hätte zu mir gesagt: Thema verfehlt, Note 6, setzen. Versetzung stark gefährdet. :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: Und solche Leute dürfen sich in unseren Tageszeitungen austoben, unglaublich.

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Danke an Cato !!! Geiler Bericht !!! Hättest du auch unter Witze & Co posten können. Hat mich echt amüsiert. Und wieder mal unser irischer Pater der versucht uns allen hier durch sein dummes Zeug das Leben schwer zu machen. Diesem Lügenbaron geben sie jetzt auch noch eine Plattform im deutschen TV. Typisch. :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

Zur Autorin dieses Artikels, erst richtig recherchieren, am besten Vor Ort, dann denken und dann schreiben. Habe schon sehr viele Artikel gelesen und schon oft dummes Zeug dabei entdeckt. Aber dieser Artikel schlägt dem Fass den Boden raus. Sorry, habe noch nie soviel Scheisse in so wenig Geschriebenen entdeckt. Meine damalige Lehrerin hätte zu mir gesagt: Thema verfehlt, Note 6, setzen. Versetzung stark gefährdet. :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: Und solche Leute dürfen sich in unseren Tageszeitungen austoben, unglaublich.

deswegen :post-10-1185907948:

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Aus der Berliner Zeitung :

"Mit versteckter Videokamera macht er deshalb Aufnahmen in den Bars. Vor sechs Monaten half er mit, dass neun Clubs in Angeles City geschlossen wurden."

Welche "9" Clubs sollen den das gewesen sein ?

Waren das die 3 Bars die mittlerweile wieder offen sind ? Haahaha

Gruß,

Güny

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Also sowas darf einem Diplomaten (!) eigentlich nicht passieren - einfach so eine Zahl in den Raum zu stellen ohne Beweise dafür zu haben. Das kann man schon fast als "Entgleisung" bezeichnen - aber als amerikanischer Politiker ist man ja von Natur aus eher Arrogant...

Davon abgesehen haben die Philippinen ihr "Problem" selbst schon viel genauer erkannt:

“The sad fact is prostitution goes hand in hand with poverty, which is the source of our many problems. Corruption is the root cause of all these. A lot depends on our national leadership,” Sen. Panfilo Lacson said.

[...]

Aurora Rep. Juan Edgardo Angara said the “deeper issue is the lack of genuine employment and the lack of livelihood opportunities which lead people to the flesh trade.”

Genau so siehts nämlich aus. Auch hier in .de bekomme ich auf der Arbeit fast täglich mit, dass sich Frauen ihr Hartz IV aufbessern indem sie lieged arbeiten. Aber das kennt man ja von den Ami's - lieber irgendwas verbieten und verfolgen als mal über die Ursachen nachzudenken. Was man dann damit auslöst kann man sich ja überlegen wenns soweit ist... (in dem Fall wahrscheinlich: weniger Tourismus, weniger Jobs, noch mehr Armut, Kriminalität usw.)

Aber alles in allem glaube ich nicht, dass sich dadurch kurzfristig was ändert - wo wären wir denn, wenn ein souveräner Staat sich von einem hergelaufenen Botschafter sagen lassen würde was er zu tun hat! (wobei ich zugebe, dass ich die Beziehungen PH<->USA nicht kenne)

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Was regt ihr euch eigentlich auf? Wir fahren schliesslich alle nicht wegen dem schönen Strand nach Angeles, oder? Und ob das jetzt 40% oder 20% der männlichen Touristen sind, ist doch vollkommen egal. Einzig und allein der Vorwurf der U18 Prostituierten ist falsch, ich behaupte mal, dass die meisten Kinder in Phil.puffs unterwegs sind und nicht in Foreigner-Bars.

Und ok, der Botschafter hat sich wenig diplomatisch ausgedrückt, beim nächsten Mal recherchiert er bestimmt besser.

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Was regt ihr euch eigentlich auf? Wir fahren schliesslich alle nicht wegen dem schönen Strand nach Angeles, oder? Und ob das jetzt 40% oder 20% der männlichen Touristen sind, ist doch vollkommen egal. Einzig und allein der Vorwurf der U18 Prostituierten ist falsch, ich behaupte mal, dass die meisten Kinder in Phil.puffs unterwegs sind und nicht in Foreigner-Bars.

Und ok, der Botschafter hat sich wenig diplomatisch ausgedrückt, beim nächsten Mal recherchiert er bestimmt besser.

Genau das glaube ich nicht. Dieses Verhalten ist leider typisch für die momentane westliche- (und insbesondere amerikanische- ) Politik: Es wird nur noch versucht von den eigenen Problemen abzulenken, statt sich darum zu kümmern - könnte man sich ja bei potentiellen (zukünftigen) Geldgebern unbeliebt machen... Das regt mich auf!

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Aus der Berliner Zeitung :

"Mit versteckter Videokamera macht er deshalb Aufnahmen in den Bars. Vor sechs Monaten half er mit, dass neun Clubs in Angeles City geschlossen wurden."

Welche "9" Clubs sollen den das gewesen sein ?

Waren das die 3 Bars die mittlerweile wieder offen sind ? Haahaha

Gruß,

Güny

Danke Güny :_icon_fucking: :post-10-1185907948: :post-10-1185907924:

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Es wird nur noch versucht von den eigenen Problemen abzulenken, statt sich darum zu kümmern

Warum wird das hier immer wieder geschrieben ?

Das ist der amerikanische Botschafter auf den Philippinen, richtig ?

Ist also nicht seine Aufgabe sich um die Probleme zu Hause zu kümmern.

Sonst wäre er nicht auf den Phils sondern daheim in den USA !

Dafür sind andere Politiker in den USA zuständig.

Die Aussage würde stimmen, käme sie von einem Politiker der sein Amt in den USA nachgeht, aber in diesem Bezug ist meiner Meinung nach die Aussage doch total falsch !

Das da immer solche "Allgemein-Statements" benutzt werden müsssen !

Gruß,

Güny

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Das da immer solche "Allgemein-Statements" benutzt werden müsssen !

Vollkommen richtig! Nur hat dies wohl in dem Fall eher der US amerikanische Botschafter getan! Ich habe im übrigen überhaupt nix gegen Amis, im Gegenteil; die meisten, die ich persönlich kennengelernt habe, sind nette Kerle (darunter auch mein leider schon verstorbener Onkel). Ich habe nur etwas gegen die Doppelmoral der meisten US - Politiker, oder ist es z. B. moralischer, jede Menge Leute dadurch bankrott zu machen, indem man sie nach Las Vegas zum Zocken einlädt?

In dieser Beziehung stehen aber meiner Meinung nach unsere Politiker bzw. Politikerinnen denen in nichts nach!

Eddy

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Vollkommen richtig! Nur hat dies wohl in dem Fall eher der US amerikanische Botschafter getan!

Ich habe im übrigen überhaupt nix gegen Amis, im Gegenteil; die meisten, die ich persönlich kennengelernt habe, sind nette Kerle (darunter auch mein leider schon verstorbener Onkel). Ich habe nur etwas gegen die Doppelmoral der meisten US - Politiker, oder ist es z. B. moralischer, jede Menge Leute dadurch bankrott zu machen, indem man sie nach Las Vegas zum Zocken einlädt?

In dieser Beziehung stehen aber meiner Meinung nach unsere Politiker bzw. Politikerinnen denen in nichts nach!

Eddy

Moin!

Gegen die Amis an sich habe ich auch nichts. Als die noch großflächig in Deutschland vertreten waren, ging es einigen Regionen wirtschaftlich z.B. wesentlich besser - und dass es da auch nette Leute gibt ist klar.

Ok, ihr habt recht, der Botschafter muss sich nicht um die Politik zuhause kümmern - aber genausowenig geht ihn die innere Politik der Philippinen etwas an.

Was mich aufregt ist, dass es im Moment der kompletten Weltwirtschaft nicht so besonders toll geht, aber alles was den Politikern dazu einfällt ist mit dem Finger auf andere zu zeigen (wie z.B. Obama, der Europa anzählt obwohl er selbst nur haarscharf und vor allem vorübergehend an der Pleite vorbeigeschrammt ist) und in blinden Aktionismus zu verfallen. Unsere Politiker hatte ich da ausdrücklich nicht ausgenommen; deswegen habe ich ja erwähnt, dass sich auch bei uns die Frauen ihr Hartz IV aufbessern, weil es einfach zu wenig Jobs und zu viele k*****te Politiker gibt. In den USA wird das nicht viel anders sein - aber statt dessen kann man ja einfach mal über die Philippinen schimpfen; die sind ja eh alle doof und werden die Zahlen schon nicht hinterfragen...

Naja, bringt nichts sich darüber aufzuregen...

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Was regt ihr euch eigentlich auf? Wir fahren schliesslich alle nicht wegen dem schönen Strand nach Angeles, oder? Und ob das jetzt 40% oder 20% der männlichen Touristen sind, ist doch vollkommen egal. Einzig und allein der Vorwurf der U18 Prostituierten ist falsch, ich behaupte mal, dass die meisten Kinder in Phil.puffs unterwegs sind und nicht in Foreigner-Bars.

Und ok, der Botschafter hat sich wenig diplomatisch ausgedrückt, beim nächsten Mal recherchiert er bestimmt besser.

haben leute wie wir hier im forum überhaupt den vollen überblick über die szene? die 40% (oder wieviel auch immer) sind doch nicht nur an den uns wohlbekannten orten in der von uns frequentierten szene unterwegs.

wie hoch wird denn dieser uns weitgehend unbekannte anteil sein?

und da angeles in der BZ angeführt wurde als zentrum des sextourismus: ist das so? wie hoch ist denn die anzahl der touris in angeles? das müsste man in relation setzen zu den 40%.... (oje, das würde recherche für mich bedeuten. kennt zufällig jemand die zahlen?)

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Ach, mir sind solche Statistiken eigentlich völlig egal !

Von mir aus können alle wegen dem einen hinfliegen oder gar keiner.

Ich lasse mir den Spaß dadurch nicht verderben und mache was ich will.

So ist mein Standpunkt zu dem was andere Leute (speziell Politiker) denken wollen.

Gruß,

Güny

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Das Problem ist, daß derartige Äußerungen oft einen blinden Aktionismus der lokalen Politiker und Ordnungsorgane auslösen. Das kann dann leicht zu einer Spaßbremse führen. :wallbash: Leider haben die Amis auf den Philippinen trotz ihrer Doppelmoral immer noch eine sehr gute Reputation. Aber meistens verlaufen bestimmte Aktionen dann wieder im Sand und wir können wieder zur Tagesordung übergehen :_icon_fucking: :post-207-1185906332: :post-10-1185907924:

Gruß Pattayauwe :post-207-1185905386:

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